http://www.emc.com.tw/ (the 8-bit micro) Seems to be a 13-bit variation on the 12-bit PICs. No personal experience. If anyone knows where to buy these buggers in small quantities let me know. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu