And don't forget, cable ratings (particularly for fixed cables) are usually based on a 10year plus life also. Overrunning a cable slightly for short periods may only reduce the lifetime - not actually result in an immediate hazard. But this would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, with full information. Richard P snip.... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics