I have used these pins for via's. I found them to big (although if memory serves me correctly, my supplier were out of stock of smaller ones). But they work. I know the name sounds like Harris or Harvard (been a while). Try RS Electronics for it. My problem with through hole plating (the lack there of) was with IC pins, where you have a track on the top layer and need to solder on the bottom. If I can find a solution for it (without changing my layout) I'll happily start doing my own prototypes again. Quentin qsc@iptech.co.za www.iptech.co.za -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body