Aw geez, do I gotta? My cable looks so nice the way it is :) I don't know if this would make any difference, but I'm using a 10 conductor cable, but only using 5 conductors, alternating used and unused. What would happen if I crimped another IDC connector closer to the programmer end, but left the rest of the cable after the new connector? Would that even make a difference? I'm kicking myself because I'm actually out of town doing this, and while I brought a spare IDC connector, I didn't bring a spare 5 pin connector for the WARP13. Ah well, I guess I will have to try your solution tomorrow...I'm tired now. Thanks! Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Roman Black wrote: > Hi Josh, yep the ribbon cable may be the culprit. > They have the wires very close and in precise > parallel so capacitance may be too high with 18" > of cable. > > Get a knife and split between the wires, so you have > 5 strands, then spread them apart and try that. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.