Good beginner SMD toaster oven link: http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200006/oven_art.htm Does anyone want to take on the challenge of hooking a 16F628 (or 16F84) up to a thermistor and triac to make a cheap SMD oven controller?? ;o) -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.