Roman, It's not really a photo-copier versus laser printer issue. Any toner based system is going to to use the same basic principle to put the toner on the paper. Whether the image gets on the drum from a laser or from a mirror lens/optic system does not really matter. However, there is a large variation it the effectiveness of the different toner engines out there. I'm sure there are photocopiers out there that do a much better job then my aging HP LJ-III. I'm also sure there other laser printer out there that do a superior job. But you just have to test them to see what works. My laser printer puts plenty of toner on the paper (even with the contrast dial in the middle). It's just those large solid block areas. You can see this easily by doing a test printout and holding it up to the light. The edges of the area will be black, but as you move towards the center of the filled area it starts turning grey. I suspect it's an issue with the printer having problems with transferring large areas of charge on the imaging drum. All of these systems are primary designed to print/copy text. Which they do quite well. As it is the system works well, it could just use a little improvement. Regards, -carl At 06:14 PM 12/9/2002, you wrote: >Hi Carl, don't use a laser printer!! It's not the >best way. I have a friend that uses a different >method and i've seen his boards. > >Use a PHOTOCOPIER. You can print the artwork on >any laser or bubblejet, then go to a copy house >and photocopy on DARK. A photocopier puts down >a much heavier toner layer than a laserprinter. >Then iron on the PCB and it's ready for etching. > >If you use good qual laser paper (fluffless) >for the first artwork sheet and the photocopy >they come out very nice. :o) >-Roman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics