> (This is an Eagle schematic and board file, all zipped up.) > I'm interested in suggestions of all sorts, * Nice job on the schematic symbols for the 4 digit displays. Did you make those yourself? Yes, I did. Thanks! (Unfortunately, they're not quite complete, as I confirmed when actual parts reached my hands. The symbols will get a bit uglier when the missing pins get defined. Sigh.) * Either smash a symbol and move its label or don't cram things so close together that the labels can't be read. Neatness counts. Use more sheets if you have to. It's the freeware version, so I'm limitted to one sheet. I have a "real problem" with "density" vs readability, especially when it comes to text. I used some of the DIN TTL symbols in another schematic, and they were HUGE compared with (for instance) the PIC symbols. For the resistors here, I tried to delete most of the lables, but it seems that if you smash and delete both name an value, you get unsmashed text back when you redisplay. (I think there were some suggestions of moving the smashed text to undisplayed layers on the Eagle newsgroups - I'll try that.) * The crystal caps should go to GND, not VDD, although it will probably work fine this way. Yes, I started a discussion on that topic a while back. Still, in this case, I'm not sure I need to use VCC - that part of the schematics was copied from a single-layer board where the crystal placement and wiring was more critical. * A bunch of parts don't have values, like C1, C2. Again neatness and attention to detail count. Noted. * I don't follow what's going on with the fat traces (polygon?) on the top layer around the two displays. This seems to be overlaying a whole row of pads. There are several instances of this sort of thing. As a signal-bearing polygon, these automatically "retract" to the isolation distance (relatively large on my boards) from all other signals when you do a rats-nest operation to "fill" the polygons. (The 'filled' status of polygons doesn't seem to get saved, though.) The top-layer polygon you mention does have a different line width than the other polygons for no good reason, though. I'm usually not very careful about fine placement of the polygon, since the 'real' copper gets computed. Should I be? * Don't let the silkscreen get onto the pads. It can act like a solder mask. Ah. I thought I was careful with this, but I see problems over by the connectors for inbound signals. I should probably rework those "packages", since the current text placement is particularly badly suited toward the obviously-shaped arrays of "wires." BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads