I really must get around to accrediting myself a Queensland Restricted Electrical Licence- it would then authorise me to perform some really shoddy and dangerous work legally. Today I decided to install my new porch light (illegally) took off the old bare socket open to the elements to find that the earth wire had never been properly attached, in fact it had been held in place by a screw applying pressure to the insulation but at no point was bare wire actually touching the ground connection of the original socket. Along with the fact that I have found power wiring just hung over a nail in the skin of the house and a dab of cement used to hold it and the power outlet to the wall. This from a licensed Electrician. Oh yes even if I did have a restricted licence it wouldn't cover me for domestic wiring only industrial and 3phase. Ho hum Colin -- cdb, cdb@barnard.name on 31/03/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.