Hello Olin, >It won't be a problem of startup, but the frequency may be outside the >crystal specification, and the crystal may be overdriven and being driven >with strong harmonics. > the waveform looks very similar with and without the caps. I've noticed that with the caps the peak-to-peak is of about 2V. With the caps this swing is a bit higher, close to 2.4V but not sufficient to overdrive. I've seen voltage swings of close to 5V some time ago when using a 4MHz crystal with HS oscillator. If this was a one off I wouldn't mind, but I need to install about a dozen of this gadget and I'm wanting to simplify the things. Anyway, I think I'll play it safe and put the caps in all of then. Thank you very much, Brusque -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics