> I figured you'd be using the macho saddle: > > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/real-man.html Ah Sheldon, he's a character ain't he ? Been to his a few times, the Real Man Saddle didn't register - unlike me to miss an obscure connection or reference At the other end of the "taste and class" scale, cop this http://homestead.com/bikerodnkustom/woodeye.html -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.