there is a ULP in 4.09r2 that will convert all #1 pads to square. Surely the wrong orientation of the names and part no's is solved by using the smash option and then moving. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick here? Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 22/11/2002 Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until they speak! -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu