Hi, > This oven talk is interesting. > > If it's so critical to get the profiles right using an oven, how come I seem to be able to hand solder SMD's with a great deal of butchery and still get working boards? (I have had one or two 1uF caps go crack on me though) It is not too critical, it is just a little critical :-) If you think better about it you will see that hand soldering produces less stress because it is much more localized and it takes much less time to make the solder joints ! My oven cycle takes 8 minutes and your hand soldering less than 10 seconds. It is the same problem that you have when using SOIC components in the oven process. You have to "bake" them for a while at 50 celsius to make sure you do not have any humidity inside the packages or they will crack in the oven. With hand soldering that is not necessary at all.. Getting the right profile done is quite easy and I got it working myself in few days, you just have to know what to look for and read all the manufacturers specs to make sure you are not violating the specs. A toaster oven with the right temperature control can give you a better profile than a cheap 3 zones conveyor oven !!! You just have to look at it carefully. Best regards, Alexandre Guimaraes -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.