>> - 12c508 is "one shot one kill" and i burned out 2 micros You mean "burnt out", or just used up? It IS a one-time programmable device, but I don't usually equate "correctly executing a program that doesn't work" with "burned out." (Could be a language issue.) On that topic, does anyone care to describe techniques they use to get more than one try out of an OTP device? Seems like both all-zeros and all-ones are reasonable harmless instructions to have happen before you start trying to do real work so you ought to be able to put your program as high as possible in program memory (so it occupies the top 100 words or so.) Then when the PIC resets it starts at 0, executes (memsize-100) NOP or ADDLW 0xFF instructions, and then starts your program proper. If it doesn't work, you program your next 100 word program starting at memsize-200 and try again. (obviously, this doesn't work as well if you start needing interrupt vectors and so on, but hopefully by the time your program gets that complex you've got more experience and more flash alternatives. It's the really "trivial" first time attempts and such that I want to address.) There may be difficulties with programmers and verifies and such, which is why I'm asking for actual experiences... Thanks Bill W -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics