Which just goes to prove you need to present the thief with the unexpected. If they've got any street smarts they'll move on to something easier Ah, well. There you go. Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage and poison gas." It's quite illegal to actually DO that, but there are clearly people on both sides of the sticker who don't know that, and people who are crazy enough to do it anyway, and "street smarts" says maybe you should pick another car... :-) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics