Evidently you have had the same problems with Eagle as me - many of the commands are counter-intuitive, and compared to some older software (DOS, not windoze), it's dreadful! The only thing in its' favour is price! Also in it's favor is that it is IMPROVING. When I first tried Eagle, there was version 3.5x or so, and I found the learning curve so steep that I wrote it off as unusable (that was back when the tutorial was based on the command-line versions for most commands.) More recently, when I tried 4.x, it was MUCH BETTER. Most things are now somewhat intuitive and available via a GUI, and the library search capability is quite nice. There remain three annoyances: 1) "wire" vs "net" for connecting signals. Hmm. Maybe I should download the German language version and see if I remember enough German to tell whether this is wholely a language/translation issue. You can get used to this one pretty quickly, though. 2) The whole "copy" thing. It's not that it's BAD, really, it's just quite different than ... every window system ever written. Jarringly so. (don't forget all those gates that you can't "duplicate" but CAN group/cut/paste... to copy...) 3) Library management. There are some bandaids for this, but it's still really annoying... This is supposed to be addressed in 5.x due out sometime next year. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics