I said this a while ago. When you're implementing your car security device, you have to have a real clear understanding of whether you're preventing the car from being stolen, or preventing things from being stolen from the car. A car, having glass windows, is fundamentally rather unsecurable. If someone wants to get in, they can, and anything removable inside the car is gone. Protecting the car itself from being stolen is compartively easy, but you have to understand that THAT is all you are doing... Protecting a car from being damaged is just about impossible... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics