...a very noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a thief wants is everybody looking. Oh right. Noisy car alarms are wonderfully successful in the USA. (Not!) I guess it depends on whether you're trying to stop your car from being stolen, having your "stuff" stolen out of it, or perps doing $x000 damage to steal a $x00 stereo :-( BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu