On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, David Minkler wrote: > HP 7475A plotters are 'nearly' free (plus shipping) on ebay. Search on > 7475a. Ah. Stupid me, I hadn't even looked. Last time I did look for one was several years ago, and they were hard to find then -- but eBay was barely a startup at that time. You can do this with any of that series of HP plotters, I think I also used a 7470 at the time. I can't tell you guys how nice this setup works, though. The pens I found are only a couple of bucks each, and I could go from layout to complete, etched & drilled board in about an hour for a simple project. Lines were very clean, you just have to remember you simply can't do 8 mil lines with 4 mil spacing or anything crazy. I did have traces between DIP pads with no problems. I didn't realize they were so common and cheap. Wow. This beats the hell out of trying to modify an ink jet, trust me. The standard pen body can be used as a holder, just cut off the top, remove the guts, cut off the tip just at the end of the large taper and slide in an ultra-fine marker. All you have to be careful of is that you load the pen manually and bypass the cover interlock switch so you can plot with the flip-up smoked cover open to clear the tall pen. Set the plot speed to 1IPS, plot a reverse image and Presto! Nearly instant PCB. Only difficulty might be large copper areas like ground planes, I seem to recall that doesn't work too well and will require some manual touching up prior to etching. Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads