1. How do they originally get the copper to stick to the board. 2. In a laser printer do they statically charge the drum so it picks up the toner. If so perhaps the copper could be charged. Using a laser out of one of the $25 to discharge the copper areas to be removed. Then dusted, heated then etched... starting to sound a little involved perhaps Justin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu