Jinx wrote: Thats when I pull out the dremel, some dentist bits, and a respirator. I use the mini-mite, it's a cordless, smaller one. The smallest collet works great with the dentist bits I have. It's not always pretty at the end, but it works ok. Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Jinx wrote: > and there are times when you've got odd-shaped components that > requires a soldering pattern you can't do with regular 0.1" pre-drilled > board, like perf/Vero or breadboard -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics