Did you include the 'two line' instruction in your LCD init= code? PS. Your return mail address is to you and not the list. Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 09/11/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads