> On a one off for personal use it may be fine, but there are many that > would refuse to put such a device on the market. I don't agree. It's simply a matter of "horses for courses". I am manufacturing industrial timers with timing accuracies of better than +/- 3% - previously the best we could even dream about with equivalent analogue circuits was +/- 10% - and that was before degradation of components over the life of the product. There are thousands of applications where timing accuracy is not critical and the PICs (and other) MCUs with inbuilt oscillators will find their way into those if they have not already. I am sure that when I shut off the compressor in your A/C unit, you do not care if I wait 300 seconds or anywhere from 291 to 309 seconds until we allow it restart again? In my situation, the accuracy of the clock has a direct effect on the accuracy of my products, and therefore the published specifications of those products. But they are certainly acceptable specifications and far superior to what were in the marketplace before (comparing apples with apples, of course). But there are a host of applications out there where timing is not as critical as even our application! The internal clock gets my vote - for the hobbyist and certain production applications. Regards, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu