Why not use a second hand plotter? I recall that Oately/Silicon= Chip had a plotter design. I also seem to recall someone once suggested using embroidery= tracing paper and then applying a coating of some kind that transferred= by dissolving the paper leaving the pattern on the PCB. colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 05/11/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics