How about a black ice detector ? I've just semi -tried a wide angle remote control emitter and= this looks more promising. >From an overcast and very humid Brisbane Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 04/11/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads