I hadn't considered electrical foam, though I had considered a= cheap strain gauge with the theory that rain must weigh something so if= it fell on the sensor etc, which is where the piezo idea came from. This is just to detect rain. I've suddenly though that maybe I'm= using the wrong type of IR emitter so I'm going to try a high= power remote control type rather than a 4mm mouse wheel type. Just one other question I am working on the assumption of a= constant beam with rain causing the beam to be either diminished or non existent, but should I perhaps be looking at it the other way -= no beam and the rain causes reflectivity? thanks for your help Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 04/11/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads