On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Olin Lathrop wrote: *>The gain is low and there is no hysteresis. When the light level changes *>slowly the relay will be slowly driven thru the on/off range. One Imho it is very hard to drive a relay slowly through its on-off range because most relays have a linear spring and a quadratic magnetic force component. This causes built-in hysteresis on both make and break. Otoh in Ake's circuit any ac (including from arcing contacts) can make it to the base and contribute to a positive feedback loop. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu