They forget to mention (or don't realize) that Mac OS just underwent a HUGE change over the last couple of years, though. Mac OS 9 is what I would have called "MacOS"... Mac OS X is Unix under the hood. 100% Unix. So it'll be interesting when exploits for certain Unix applications come out, it may affect Mac OS, but not be listed as a Mac OS vulnerability. MacOS 9 was virtually unhackable... really. There was very little you could do to it from the network side, and it was even smart enough to turn off its Ethernet interface when there was no software registered using it. (In other words, service/server software would "register" that it was using the port and it would stay on, but if you were on an end-user workstation doing e-mail and documents, most of the time your Ethernet port wouldn't respond to outside network connection attempts at all.) -- Nate Duehr, nate@natetech.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body