> > IS the list down??? > So, you're asking something that may be dead if it's alive > Hmmm, interesting Perchance the gentle (or other) reader has not met the anonymous limerick used to (attempt to) ridicule Bishop Berkley (after who Berkeley University is named) long ago when he posited the "no action without an observer" concept which was subsequently stolen by Johny come lately usurpers Quantum Mechanics & Relativity and which sponsored the above question of Jinx's - There once was a man who said, God Must think it exceedingly odd If he finds that this tree Continues to be When there's no-one about in the quad. Some wag (anon also) responded Dear Sir, your astonishment's odd I am always about in the quad Which is why the tree Continues to be As observed by, yours faithfully, God Note that the APPARENTLY joke like question about the tree (whether Jinx's forest grown or that in the, perhaps, Berkeley University Quad) is far more profound than it appears and is in some measure justified by both relativity & quantum mechanics. ________________ A quick Google suggest that Bertrand Russell MAY have penned the original and gives the following texts: From this slightly disturbing page. The page writer does not really understand Berkeley (who does :-) ? ) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/9226/solipsism.htm There was a young man who said "God" Must think it exceedingly odd If he finds that this tree Continues to be When there's no one about in the Quad." REPLY Dear Sir: Your astonishment's odd: I am always about in the Quad, And that's why the tree Will continue to be, Since observed by Yours faithfully, GOD. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body