Wierd. I didn't see it listed by itself either. I looked it up in the paper catalog and there's a "Picmicro MCU IN A BOX" kit -- part 46WX3137. It's listed around $408, so it must come with something else as well (I'd hope anyway). All thats listed in the description is the picstart programmer, software, and some beginners pic books. Digikey has them in stock for $199 which is still kind o' steep. You can get one at at a discount ($100?) at the microchip classes if you can wait for one to come to your area. I'd suggest looking at the Galep 4 general purpose programmer, or one of the newfound electronics (warp13?) programmers. I purchased an earlier picstart clone (reaper) from newfound and it worked pretty well. I use my galep (3) more often now . If he's just starting out you might send him a bootloader programmed 16f877 to tinker with until he decides. www.conitec.com --pocket tools section www.newfoundelectronics.com http://www.microchipc.com/PIC16bootload/ (or the like, zillions of these come up on google) -Dal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney" > > www.Newark.com > > What am I doing wrong? I tried searching for "PIC", "PICStart", > "Microchip + Programmer", "Development" and nothing comes up. Oh, I did > find a power supply for a PICStart+ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads