Russell, 1. Actually I don't have QP enabled however the problem is solved= if I enable the > things for my replies so tit would appear. 2. The Autotrax EDA www.autotraxeda.com U$495 , your right I= took the A$8000 and forgot the other was in US still less than= Protel. 3. It has potential - looks good, the Autorouter and Autoplacer= work quite well. 4. Has Spice and 3D simulator - can be embedded into Excel. 4.Drawbacks - the main one is that the libraries are very small -= almost non existent at this moment apart from standard parts-= that is supposed to be addressed shortly. 5. The download is free and is the full version - if you pay you= get support and (at a date to be announced I assume) upgrades. 6. I recommend a look at it - but don't expect it to be totally= upto Protel at this minute, but as I said it looks as though it could= be a reasonable alternative eventually. colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 24/10/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads