>> Just downloading an updated version of AutoTrax (Protel look alike 1/16 the cost), and Download Express reckons 490hours 16 minutes. Lines to the UK must be going via Pluto or something. >> About 49 MB I think but that's still raaather slow. I'd be interested in knowing How good is Autotrax? What limitations? What price? (Couldn't see a price on their site) How good is the auto-router? Autotrax was the name of the Protel DOS based product before the Windows versions so there may be some common history. I understood they sold the DOS product to someone, which may well be these people? AFAIK Protel is about $7000? here so 1/16 = $NZ440 or under $A400. Is it really that cheap? Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads