> I overlooked that funny detail, used the 'useuall' procedure and I am > programming 12F675's just fine. That's of course no proof that this is > correct, but it is something... I don't remember exactly which chip it was, but I do remember that the Vpp/Vdd order mattered for it. One of the symptoms was that the ID word would sometimes come back all zero. I experimented enough to see positive evidence that the Vpp/Vdd order can be important. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.