Russell McMahon wrote: [snip] > A specific example of the above is in typical IR remote controls > where the LEDs typically draw very large currents (maybe several > hundred mA) for very short periods. Here the constant current supply > allows the LED to be run near its destruction point as the battery > fades from new to dead. Without the current control capability the > only choice is to spec operating current that will be safe with a new > battery and suffer performance degradation as the battery voltage > drops. Examination of most IR remote controls will show that the > current limiting resistor is indeed in the drive transistor's emitter > (whereas, if constant current was not a design aim, it would be in > the collector,) That's 100% correct, where you need to force a constant current. There is of course, some drawbacks with the emitter resistor technique, when dealing with battery fading voltage. Suppose you are using a 9V battery in a circuit fed directly by this battery. This circuit will drives a transistor with a constant current emitter resistor and a LED at collector. Lets see what happens when the battery is 9V or 5.5V; Battery 5.5 or 9V o | | .-------o--------. | | | | .-----. D _V_ _--> | | | | DRV | C | |---R1-----B[NPN] | | A B E '-----' | | R2 | | _|_ _|_ NPN Beta = 100 ID = 20mA 1 IE = 20mA x (1+ -----) Beta IE = 20mA x 1.01 = 20.2mA 20mA IB = ------ = 200uA Beta R2 = 47 Ohms IR2 = 20.2mA VR2 = 0.9494 V VBE = 0.6V VB = VR2B = 1.594 V IB = 200uA VR2A = 5.4 or 8.9V hmmmm.... When VCC = 5.5V; VR2A = 5.4V VR2 = VR2A - VR2B = 5.4 - 1.594 = 3.806V R2 = 3.806 / 200uA = 19030 ohms. If R2 = 19030 ohms when VCC = 8.9V; VR2A = 8.9V 8.9V - Vbe IB = ------------------ 19030 + 47 x Beta IB = 7.5V / 23730 = 316uA IE = 316uA x 100 = 31.6mA VR2 = 47 x 31.6mA = 1.4852 V hmmmm It shows that constant current transistor configuration only works ok if the base current is also constant, of course, it relies on that. The above driver circuit is dependent of battery voltage (and it fades), doesn't matter so much if using emitter resistor to fix current or not, the R2 voltage will change along with battery voltage. The only way to keep the constant current would be to generate a fixed driver voltage at the driver output, what seems not to be the case. Some drivers use an internal double diode to ground to clip the output driver voltage to around 1.2V, even with a 3V battery application. It keeps VR2 fixed along with the LED current. In a 3V application, as remote controls, VR2 should be as small as possible, because when batteries fade out to less than 2.2V, less the transistor VCE, a high VR2 can kill the IR signal not because the batteries are low, but simple because there is not enough voltage around the IR LED. In this cases, the VBE and the known BETA will be used as the constant current controller. With a knowing Beta of 100, driving 2V to a 7kohms base resistor, will provide a 200uA base current, what will open 20mA collector current for the LED. As a small NPN can goes down to a 0.3VCE without saturating, it means the battery can fades down as much as VLED+0.3V, with the same IR emission level. It means what? that if you have a constant base current, it will result in a constant collector current, with a little more worries about making sure all the transistor batch shows a relative small beta variations. Using a very small REmitter (R2) will bend the constant current control to the Beta and VBE factors, since now they can almost dictate IC, being VR2 a small portion of it. It means that using an emitter resistor to fix current, it should develop a significative emitter-ground voltage, at least higher than 0.6V, so variations in VBE will represent small variations at the constant collector current. The same effect can be seem on operation amplifiers as constant current generators. In the feedback network, if the compared voltage is very small, the relation between the Compared Voltage and OPOffset (changes with temperature) will be small, causing the constant current very instable and sensible to temperature. __ Control > 3V __| |__ o | .------------. | 0.10909V | | R 1k | / \ | | | / \ _V_ Laser | 100k V / \ | 21.4mA o----R----o------(+)___(-) | Const | | | | Current _V_ 1.2 R 10k '--R10k---o | VREF | 0.10909V | _|_ _|_ R 5.1ohms _|_ In the above (ideal) circuit, a probable offset of 5mV at the op-amp will generate a change in the constant current, in the order of 5mV/109mV = 4.6% or almost 1mA. If by lack of VCC you need to reduce the compared voltage to less than 50mV, then the ratio gets worse. W46NER -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics