This circuit from the SMPS circuit challenge of a year ago(!) is the "LED blinker/dead battery milker/3909 replacement" from Russell McMahon: http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2001\10\10\084451a http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2001\09\27\023449a It uses an RF choke of 300 uH. I've spent hours trying to figure out how to wind this inductor myself. Alot of info is available (http://www.mag-inc.com/library.asp#top, http://www.ferroxcube.com/ and others) but it's hard for me to tell which is relevant or not. It appears an aircoil would require 300+ turns which my guess is not practical (and will other properties of the coil be correct?). [ L = (A^2. x N^2) / (9A + 10B) ] Should a core be used? What type? Could some type of toroid be used (kids might like winding it??). What formulas can I use for this application? Are any of the design guides applicable? (There seem to be alot of info for designing SMPSs but this application seems to be on the fringe.) A similar application (http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/joule.htm) uses a ferrite bead. Can that be used? Thanks. --- David Scott http://www.piclist.com/member/DS-sss-C40 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads