source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\10\18\200130a There is a design contest at sxlist.com where you can win a VERY nice ICD like programmer/debugger if you enter an SX based project with code that is ready to debug. http://www.sxlist.com/contest/starter I personally use the SX-KEY from Parallax and have used the Kanda unit and the SX-DEV. The SX-KEY and SX-DEV are right up there together. I have never programmed a chip with a home built programmer, but I am planning to try the http://members.rotfl.com/dturner/#Scenix%203Chip%20and%20Resources super simple unit from the 3chip crew "real soon now" There is a good list of SX programmers at http://www.sxlist.com/devprogs.htm --- James Newton: PICList.com webmaster, former Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads