> > Libertarians (the original poster was quoting a Libertarian propaganda > > feed) only care about reducing government to the point where everyone is > > living in an unsafe world without healthcare, but "no taxes". And better > > keep your gun loaded, and close at hand. I recall a definition I saw somewhere long ago - "A Libertarian is a person who desires a strong Police force to protect them from their slaves." IMO, Libertarians views are often reasonable enough if each person could live and act without influencing or being influenced by all others. As soon as one interacts with other people liberty and rights needs be tempered by the liberty and rights of others and their system crumbles. cf Donne's obvious but salutary "No man is an island complete unto himself".If we could find a suitable island to send all the Libertarians to maybe they would be happy ? :-) RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.