William Chops Westfield wrote: > This came up in a beginner thread, but I'd like to get a definitive > answer. Can I use VCC for the "ground" side of the crystal's phase > shift caps? Theory says VCC is equivilent to ground from an AC > perspective, and it would certainly make most PCB layouts a bit > cleaner, but I'd like to hear from someone who has done this > regularly and thinks that it actually works! > > Thanks > Bill W > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu Hi Bill, In theory it really doesn't matter where you anchor your AC signals. Ground or VCC can act the same. I just see two big issues. 1) Normally we use to lay out larger real estate copper for ground. Not only this, but normally your Ground will be connected to other Grounds around, what will create a larger ballast and will spread even more your Ground potential to suck down noise and abnormal energy. What this mean? in a direct path, Ground will always be the easier way for those signals to travel. By other side, VCC as usual designed, uses not so heavy copper rails, a VCC track of 1/8" wide with so many turns and twists can represent a higher impedance for a high frequency point of view. 2) A blow up capacitor with its imminent short circuit, from output oscillator clock pin to ground, is not a big issue, but try to do the same to VCC and you will have a fried oscillator faster than you can say "oops!". Most microchips try to balance their internal low impedance much more to ground than to VCC. Even discrete components designs, you can see much more component leads to ground than to VCC. This, shows a natural tendency to a lower impedance in general to ground than VCC. Of course the large and small capacitors at any power supply offer a low impedance to frequencies, so, for a decoupling capacitor, it really doesn't matter much where you anchor it, if, or course, the path is free and direct impedance is low for such frequency. Perhaps one problem to consider is that the return path via VCC will be always longer than via Ground, this can create unexpected issues and intermittent problems. /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Wagner Lipnharski - UST Research Inc Orlando FLorida - USA - www.ustr.net /_/_/_/ Atmel AVR Consultant /_/_/_/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu