Brian Livingston wrote a "Window Manager" article in InfoWorld that mentions a few of the problems and also contains links to some Microsoft advisories. Here's a link to the InfoWorld article: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/09/30/020930opwinman.xml?1001tugripe -Mike -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.