For free software try Eagle LT. at http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ it's free and has a large SMT part library - easy to get started. I was able to take a design from concept to reality in about 2 months, never having made a PCB before. I built it by hand. If you are not using parts with leads (BGA) you can't build it by hand, and 0402 parts are difficult to solder. - Without special equipment. There is also a recent circuit cellar article about working with SMT - MAY 2002. =20 You do need to be very careful about the design of the pads and traces, they can cause nasty effects when a board is made (tombstoning etc.).. At my last job they had a whole group of engineers working on board level problems and had very specific design rules. A few resources are --=20 http://www.aracnet.com/~gpatrick/ http://www.epanorama.net=20 http://smt.pennnet.com/home.cfm http://www.pcdmag.com/ http://www.smta.org/ Also a simple little book on the subject of SMT projects is at Amazon Smd Electronics Projects by Homer L. Davidson and=20 Surface Mount Technology for PC Boards by James K. Hollomon Jr., James Hollomon Amazon also has more books on this subject but at >$$ If you don't want to home brew your boards try. http://www.pcbexpress.com They did a nice job for me quick turn and about $100 for two - also They used the eagle files directly without problem. =20 Steve Smith Electrical Engineer University of Akron Departmen of Chemistry -----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Griffith [mailto:bob@JUNGA.COM]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:04 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [EE]: SMT Board Layout advice I have designed a couple of successful through hole boards but now I am attempting to design a full SMT board and need some advise. Can anyone recommend your favorite web sites or book on the subject of SMT board layout/design? Is their a definitive web source for IPC land patterns? I am assuming that if I use parts made for wave or reflow soldering, that I would not be able to build a test board by hand before having a batch made by a CM. Is that true? I am considering trying a toaster oven for reflow as was discussed a while back on this list. Also, do I need to be careful about where on the SMD pad I connect the trace? On small caps, the trace can change the shape of the pad and I wonder if it will effect how the part stays on during soldering. Thanks, --BobG -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.