At 09:02 PM 9/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >greetings, > >Was wondering if anyone knew of a way to remove this from a circuit. I >bought a toy today at toy's R us and wanted to know what chip they >(Tigertoys.com) were using in the device. but it (the chip) is covered in a >black "tar" protective goo. It sounds like a COB device, as others have said. Probably not a PIC or other low-quantity device, but one made by an Asian maker specializing in low-cost chips (PICs are far too expensive for this kind of product, and lack voice and other features). >Also if anyone had information where some one would take a device for >manufacturing? That's kindofageneral question.. if it's COB you are looking for, there are assembly houses, but most of that kind of product is very simple, only a few components. Yield tends not to be all that high, even so, so the bad ones just get tossed. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.