Have you considered the VIA EPIA platform along with an ITX case ? The motherboard was =A390 and the case was =A360. Visit ... http://www.viavpsd.com/product/epia_mini_itx_spec.jsp?motherboardId=3D21= Of most interest to you, there is also a link on this page for = compatible cases, one of which (Cupid 2677) used a 12V DC input !! I have just build such a machine (EPIA, Cupid 2677, 15" TFT, 256Mb = SDRAM, 40G HDD), and it runs Windows 2000 just fine. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Pic Dude [mailto:picdude@PILOTTOOLS.COM]=20 Sent: 30 August 2002 16:23 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PICLIST] [EE]: Why does a PC need 12V? Morgan Olsson wrote: > Easiest would be to buy a all in one +5V only motherboard for > embedded apps. > I4ve seen somewhere a pentium compatible to good price. > /Morgan Really? Where? I've searched and searched, and all I found was PC/104-type boards at close to $1000 a piece! And many still using 486-level processors. My requirements are simple -- small size, 300-400Mhz processor (I was thinking Celeron since they were designed for cooler operation that the PII's, etc), and perhaps 2 PCI slots. Need to support 2 HD's and that's all. Would love to hear of anything you've come across that meets these needs. Up to this point, I'm planning on using a Micro-ATX MB (or just smaller like a Shuttle MB) in a custom case, with no removeable drives/floppies/CD's, etc. Transfer of files, etc will be via USB or ethernet. Cheers, -Neil., -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads