Hi, > 4 Input tied to ground.supply > 4 Is free BUT can cause bad problems if software is changed. I would NEVER do that ! I have seen a product ( Thanks God it was not mine ! ) from a client that just blew 200 boards in a cold month because of that !!!! It was poorly designed in every way I can think of and was very sensitive to EMI. The ports changed state from input to output and the chips just blew apart. I agree that if the other aspects of the design were better thought that should not happen often but I can't see any advantages of tying the pin to ground !! Pull-ups or down are the best if you can afford it, if not just leave the ports as outputs. There is nothing to be gained by relying on the internal pullups or tying the pin to ground or VCC. Best regards, Alexandre Guimaraes -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu