I was the one with the '70's toyota.  Memory leaks are a big problem with
me these days.  I used to specifically drive for better mileage - coasting
down hills, avoiding lugging, keeping speeds low, no jackrabbit starts,
drafting trucks (don't ever do this) and so on.  Had a manual transmission
car with NO options and the smallest available engine.  Read books about
driving for better mileage and practiced it.  I seem to remember mileages
between 35 and 42 when the car was new and I was trying to use these
mileage-increasing techniques.  Mileage was measured by odometer change
divided by pump gallons, at the same pump, using the same shutoff level.
But memory leaks are a big problem with me these days (did I already say
that?)

-- Lawrence Lile





Jim <jvpoll@DALLAS.NET>
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    "With fuel injection and computer control
     the user is much less involved."

That's the song I sing.

But, I went to some trouble to make some changes to this
little car, like a new, improved higher-velocity (smaller
chamber for the primary barrel) manifold (I went into
detail once on the list once) ... I've been down the
'lane' to recognize something about automotive engineering
and fuel ecomomy ...

The *big* gains seen with FI versus carbs is well known, but,
if cylinder to cylinder distribution of the FA mixture is
correct at cruise I can't see the FI outperforming the
carb ... there other areas where FI outshines a carb as
the carb is limited in adjusting it's mixture due
to altitude changes, temp changes, etc.

This Pinto of mine was also out-fitted with an after
market mileage meter (I also described this once on
the list) which measured fuel flow and was connected
in-line with the odometer. It measured true, nearly
instaneous mileage, within the limits of it's
accuracy ...

And no, anybody who got 40 MPG on a 70's Toyota built for the
US market would have to provide documentation supporting
that claim before anyone extends credible belief to that
claim.

RF Jim

    "Our ability to manufacture fraud has exceeded
     our  ability to detect it."

     - Al Pacino as Viktor Taransky in the movie 'Simone'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert Graf" <mailinglist@FARCITE.NET>
To: <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OT]: Gas & taxes (was Online electronics store)


> Not too surprising, if you have a car with a carb it is much more work
to
> keep it getting good mileage. With fuel injection and computer control
the
> user is much less involved. TTYL
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pic microcontroller discussion list
> > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Jim
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 18:33
> > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [OT]: Gas & taxes (was Online electronics store)
> >
> >
> > Hmmm ... I believe the previous discussion involved
> > *old* cars, in this case, old Toyotas.
> >
> > I had a friend who had a 70's vintage Toyota years
> > ago and I don't recall him ever touting really
> > good gas mileage.
> >
> > I don't belive I ever saw even thirty MPG on my Ford
> > Pinto (inline 4 cyl, 4-speed stick)!
>

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