Byron, Thanks for the information and the offer. I'm afraid I didn't realise that the Beseen message board service was closing down. It was still there when I sent my previous message in this thread. Unfortunately, the baord has gone now. A bit of a shame really as I don't have a copy of any of my postings. Sigh ... Jai, Sorry to hear about your problems. The most likely cause is that the PIC is not going into programming mode. It's one thing knowing the problem, it's quite another to work out a solution. I'm sure Byron has taken you through all the most likely cures. You could try software other than FPP. Both Bonny Gijzen's IC-PROG and Nigel Goodwin's WinPicProg should work. Indeed, I think there are some messages about using these programs with the TLVP hardware on Byron's message board. If you really want to try the DOS version of FPP here's how to get it to work with the Byron's TLVP: fppdos -f628 -h10:1 file.hex The -h switch sets the hardware and consists of two fields separated by a ':', here 10 means TLVP and 1 means LPT1. The -f switch is used to set the flash memory limits and -f628 establishes the correct values for a 16F628. Better still, write a batch file, called tlvp.bat say, containing these two lines: @echo off fppdos -f628 -h10:1 %1 %2 %3 %4 then you can program your PIC using the command: tlvp file.hex This makes it easy to add other command line switches. For example: tlvp -n file.hex will program without trying to read the PIC as it goes; and tlvp -q will enter debug mode to check your hardware (hit enter to to go on to the next test). If you disable the GUI with the -w0 switch, FPP can also be run from the command line in the same way as FPPDOS. To try this out just replace "fppdos" with "fpp -w0" in the instructions given earlier. There are a couple more PICLIST messages describing the command line switches of FPP (and FPPDOS). See the archive (user: piclist, password: piclist) for the thread starting with Paul Gaastra's message: http://www.infosite.com/~jkeyzer/piclist/2002/May/0792.html Hope that helps. David -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.