I wrote: >Now payback is another thing - payback compared to what? I paid $5000 for my used van, not a really fair comparison. There are few cars with such a tight amount of space as the insight, so how would one compare? >Car payments on a $20,000 car might cost me $300 a month, which makes the difference in operating costs pale in comparison. Not looking good. If the battery is going to wear out in 4 years the Insight is really looking bad. Anybody got facts on this? A quick peruse of Ebay motors shows that a 2001 model Insight can be bought for about $8800, whereas a similar Civic goes for about $700 to $1000 less, give or take. Given a few hundred dollars difference, the used Insight wins IMHO. They seem to come with a 7 year warrantee on the electric system, does that mean the batteries last at least 7 years??? My experience with NiMh is pretty positive over NiCads, but that may not translate to a car. --Lawrence -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics