Pic Dude Wrote: >Somehow I don't see electrics/hybrids as "cool". Cool is... muscle car with big 460 V8 blown/stroked to 514 and high enough compression ratio to generate flames out the exhaust! With fuel consumption measured in gpm (gallons per mile). Now that's cool! :-) OK, we are all entitled to our opinions and there is no accounting for taste. Assume for a moment that I think the Insight is cooler than a muscle car, and therefore you can assume I am insane. Let's see: 3500 Miles per year, at 16 MPG is 218 gallons of gas. Gas is cheap in Missouri, we are paying about $1.38 this week. That's $301. I can already see how this is going. With the Insight, at an optomistic 57MPG, we use 61 gallons to go the same distance. That's $84, for a savings of $217 and change. Say we drove more, many people put 12,000 miles a year on a car. The gas hog uses 750 gallons, at a price of $1035. The Insight uses 210 gallons, costing $290. It saves $745 over the klunker. Not great. Now payback is another thing - payback compared to what? I paid $5000 for my used van, not a really fair comparison. There are few cars with such a tight amount of space as the insight, so how would one compare? Car payments on a $20,000 car might cost me $300 a month, which makes the difference in operating costs pale in comparison. Not looking good. If the battery is going to wear out in 4 years the Insight is really looking bad. Anybody got facts on this? All I really need to get around town is a car that carries two people and two sacks of groceries, and the Insight fills that niche nicely. I have a pickup for hauling big stuff, and a comfy van for traveling or hauling hordes of kids. Well, there is still the "cool" factor to consider. Anybody seen a used Insight lately? --Lawrence -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics