> the winter. In four winters driving it I've never once missed work (or > even been late), been stuck or had an accident because of road conditions. > I can pass four-wheelers as they spin all their tires trying to get up a > hill on packed snow. How does one work this sort of magic?? Erm - we > used to call them (say it with me now)... SNOW TIRES. Simply amazing. > They're not even studded and I don't own a set of chains, don't need 'em. Hehe, very true Dale. This past winter was quite good for snow fall here in Toronto, Canada, and there were quite a few days where there was enough snow to cause problems. I drive an 88 Olds Delta 88, definately not an "off road" type car, but with my snow tires (Michelin Artic Alpines) I didn't have ONE problem. Sure I slid a bit, but that's to be expected. I think the biggest thing is people think "I have a 4wd, I am invincible", they completely overdrive the road and get into trouble. It's when they're in the ditch they realize how useless 4WD can be when none of your tires have grip. The WORST day, every year, for this sort of thing is the first snow fall, it seems like it takes a few days for people to "remember" that driving in the winter is different from the summer... so be it, I for one LOVE driving in the snow, it is quite an experience. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads