On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Howard Winter wrote: > But anyway, surely four-wheel-drive is vital for the weekly run to the > supermarket? :-) Oh yeah. Definitely. And if you have more than one kid, of course, you HAVE to have seven passenger seating with the LCD entertainment center and video games. *sigh* We had a minivan for quite some time, but then we have five kids, too. Of course some us remember that it was indeed possible to drive before front wheel drive, 4WD, ABS, traction control and all that became more or less standard features. My current vehicle is a rear-drive, manual transmission car with no ABS, traction control, no extra weight in the trunk, no nuthin'. In the summer it's also my race car (it's a '98 V6 Mustang). I live in Nebraska, where we get our share of snow and ice in the winter. In four winters driving it I've never once missed work (or even been late), been stuck or had an accident because of road conditions. I can pass four-wheelers as they spin all their tires trying to get up a hill on packed snow. How does one work this sort of magic?? Erm - we used to call them (say it with me now)... SNOW TIRES. Simply amazing. They're not even studded and I don't own a set of chains, don't need 'em. But hey, I understand that not everyone can be bothered to learn such a complicated, taxing task as DRIVING. 8-P Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads