Just couldn't resist taking a look inside my ICD2. Not suprisingly is contains a 16F877 Perhaps a bit surprisingly is also contains a CY7C64603 EZ-USB 8051 clone from Cypress. It must have pained mChip to have to use this chip. Bob Ammerman RAm Systems -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads