> Try www.conrad.de. They have the PIC18F452-I/P for 16,40 EURO. (assuming that includes VAT) I sell'm for 13.21 But I am surprised that they sell them at all! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.